neil: the air is thin in denver, charlie. it's very thin, and, you know, mitt romney's from, you know, the utah area. the whole area -- it's not an excuse, but it wears you down, and the president's been going all over. i don't think he -- he underplayed, mailed it in. i don't think in the second one he's going to do it. >> people who know the president tell you, democrats tell you, he's not a guy for details. neil: right. and that he's lazy. >> i'm not going that far. he's not a guy for details. neil: problem saying strident, but lazy's not okay or not? i think he's lazy. >> do you really? neil: i do. i think he's very smart. i do. i think he just thought i have a lead, i'm going to sit on it. i know this stuff. it's romney, it's kind of flapping around in the wind. he underplayed it. >> intellectually lazy, maybe. >> no, just lazy. >> he did not have command of stuff last night. i was blown away by it. he's been in office for four years, you should know more. neil: you're a tough judge. >> what did you think? neil: that's w